Austalia to Apologize!

topic posted Wed, January 30, 2008 - 12:32 AM by  TMIbo
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TMIbo
  • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

    Wed, January 30, 2008 - 4:54 PM
    A wrong's been done, an apology issued. Admission of guilt.

    Would the disclaimer that goes with the apology (...does not attribute guilt to the current generation of Australian people) suffice in avoiding litigation and claims for the wrong. Labour has ruled out monetary compensation, but there is nothing to stop claims for damages through the courts.
    • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

      Wed, January 30, 2008 - 5:08 PM
      i def wanna pick up on this thread, but need some java joe and a clearer mind than i already (HA!) have.

      but i am SOOOOO in favour of apologising and, to be honest Jin, I kinda think that claims for damages may in fact be warranted here.

      If victims of crime can apply for damages thru civil means (as well as thru the national fund) then i think that this is a process that obviously needs to be looked at/worked out/adapted etc, but definitely considered.

      ok, im bowing out to mainline some coffee, back later with a more considered opinion!

      :)

      • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

        Wed, January 30, 2008 - 5:14 PM
        I'm high on caffeine this morn...

        The apology is great but me thinks it should be a total package with some kind of compo. If we can have a Future Fund, Education Fund, James Hardie Asbestos Fund etc, lets have a Stolen Generation Fund.

        My 3c (inflation linked)
  • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

    Wed, January 30, 2008 - 5:15 PM
    I wanna know your opinion TMIbo. I seem to remember you critisizing me for not providing one myself, so, enlighten us first if you will.
    • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

      Wed, January 30, 2008 - 5:46 PM
      To Gab and Jin

      (do u mind if i call you gab? i love gabsta, and i'm also a gabby fan, but gab you do and gab you seem!!! hee hee ... i shall stop if asked nicely ... or not. then i shall just dexter you),

      i concur!
      • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

        Thu, January 31, 2008 - 6:06 PM
        <(do u mind if i call you gab? i love gabsta, and i'm also a gabby fan, but gab you do and gab you seem!!! hee hee ... i shall stop if asked nicely ... or not. then i shall just dexter you), >

        go for it buddy :) no flies on me!
    • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

      Thu, January 31, 2008 - 5:06 AM
      My opinion is that it is a step forward for human dignity. As for me "enlightening us first", um, guess others jumped the gun. Not my fault really.
      • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

        Thu, January 31, 2008 - 7:00 AM
        An apology doesn't go far enough.
        Compensation is necessary.
        The Australian aboriginal people are such a disadvantaged group, that many still live in third world conditions.
        Many of these kids were removed from their families, some put in orphanages in an attempt to socialize them into the Aussie 'white' culture. They were forcibly removed for no reason than their color.
        Some can argue that the sentiment behind the actions were reasonable at the time, ("we just wanted to help") but it was misguided, anglo-centric, and government mandated racism.

        It is a fact that the Australian Constitution originally did not permit indigenous people to be counted in the census (except under the category, 'Flora and Fauna'), thereby effectively denying their right to vote.
        In 1967, a referendum was held to allow indigenous Australians to be counted in the census and to allow the Federal Government to make laws for the benefit of indigenous Australians.

        1967!

        Last week, Tasmania approved a A$5-million compensation fund for 106 Stolen Generation Aborigines taken from their families. State Premier Paul Lennon said no amount could make up for the hurt suffered.

        As a child living in a small country town, I remember having aboriginal children come from the nearby orphanage to stay with us during the summer holidays. Being so young I didn't know how or why they stayed with us. I was told that they were orphans and had no parents, so we were able to give them some fun time at the beach with us. We had very happy times together, but I still wonder what impact it must have had in their lives.
        My family, as well meaning as they were, played a part in this insidious form of racism.

        A recent report revealed the extent of the forced removal, which went on for more than 150 years; its' consequences in terms of broken families, shattered physical and mental health, loss of language, culture and connection to traditional land, and the enormous distress many of its victims still feel today.

        No amount of money can bring back what was forcibly taken from them, but it may go a small way to advancing education and health standards in the aboriginal communities. Let's apologize, compensate and move on.
        • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

          Thu, January 31, 2008 - 4:37 PM
          Massacres occurred within living memory. I met a tour driver who had had his family wiped out in Queensland as a child--he was one of the few survivors from his clan above Cairns. I also listened to a white Aussie from MacKay tell about how there used to be "murder points" off the coast near there, again, during the 1930s. So, Australia, has a lot of psychic crap to flush out of the system...as does much of the rest of the world. At least my visit there got me thinking about the almost complete lack of American natives in California...it got me to do some research on what happened in California and we too had "muder points", the Farallon islands apparently being used for such, although that was/is not within living memory.
  • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

    Sat, February 2, 2008 - 9:17 AM
    Yeah, I think it was about time to do it! It's a great step, but it won't give back the stolen generation to Aborignal people. I am fearful about the future of these people in our mad society...
  • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

    Fri, February 8, 2008 - 10:12 AM
    Apology = Votes from the Aborigines. Hes won now so he should just drop it
    • Re: Austalia to Apologize!

      Mon, February 11, 2008 - 6:33 AM
      Apology is necessary as a concious shift for all australians, for a truer sense of australia. I don't feel that it has anything to do with guilt but more to do with responsibility...Looking at all the different ways current government and australians in position of public / political power (most of us!) can help our aboriginal brothers and sisters.

      It was government policy..that lead to so much of the poor living conditions that aboriginals exist in today.

      Is it so much to say "Hey what happened in the past was wrong and for the past we are sorry - really wish it didn't happen that way"


      One of the biggest hurdles is getting remote communities to trust any intiatives that come from people outside of their own.
      Saying sorry might be the pivotal point for change that leads to better communication in general.

      Aboriginals themselves need many various forms of leaders...Governments, education system and media could do more to focus on these issues and keep aboriginal culture as a much stronger part of our over all cultural identity..

      If we were as passionate about making education & health roles attractive to those who can make a difference in aboriginal communities as we are about AFL, queensland tourism, BHP steel, crocodile dundee, Ellee Mc Pherson, Australian idol, Mad max, Bells beach, Summer natts, Rock festivals, the sydney to Hobart, the sydney opera house, fords, bondi beach, sunshine coast /surfers. byron, throwin' shrimps on the barbie, saving water, VB coopers XXXX, S.A. wine, rugby, Triple j unearthed and so on
      aka
      football, meat pies kangaroos and holden cars...then we might start getting somewhere...

      I'm just one person and my lil' ol' opinion is that if we ARE passionate and focused then aboriginal culture and understanding could become a much greater and PROUDERaspect of our national identity - Not just some cheap fucking replicas of aboriginal paintings in tourist shops and fucking walks on Uluru!